Why Was Josephine Traveling with her Future Husband’s Daughter Years Before She Married Him?

We have seen that Albert Rothschild, the third son of Moses and Mathilde Rothschild, died at a very young age in 1915. He and his wife Rose Katz had had six children, five daughters and one son, but their son Milton had died before his first birthday. The five daughters, however, survived. When Rose, Albert’s widow died in 1933, all but one of those daughters were still living in New York City, either in the Bronx or Manhattan. But eventually most of them moved elsewhere—at least as far as Queens and as far from New York as California and Florida. This post is about the two oldest daughters, Rae and Josephine.

In 1940, Rae Rothschild Jordan, her husband Gerald Jordan, and their daughter Alberta (19) were living in the Bronx; Gerald was the credit manager for a clothing company, and Alberta was a secretary at an advertising firm.1 However, by April 24, 1942, Gerald listed his residence as New Haven, Connecticut, on his World War II draft registration, but listed Rae’s address in Jackson Heights, Queens, New York. Gerald was working for Merit Clothes in New Haven.

Gerald Jordan World War II draft registration, The National Archives At St. Louis; St. Louis, Missouri; World War Ii Draft Cards (Fourth Registration) For the State of Connecticut; Record Group Title: Records of the Selective Service System; Record Group Number: 147; Series Number: M1962, Ancestry.com. U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

But in 1950, both Gerald and Rae were living in Queens; Gerald was not employed, but Rae was working as a salesperson in a department store.2

Meanwhile, their daughter and only child Alberta had married Joseph Weiner in 1948.3 Joseph, the son of Max Weiner and Minnie Kravich, was born in New York on July 1, 1916.4 Alberta and Joseph would have two children.

Sadly, Rae Rothschild Jordan died on July 16, 1950, two years after her daughter’s marriage and just months after the 1950 census; she was only 54.5 Her husband Gerald died fifteen years later on December 31, 1965.6 They were survived by their daughter Alberta, who herself died on March 28, 2008.7

Rae’s younger sister Josephine lived much longer than her sister’s 54 years. It took me quite a while to find Josephine on the 1940 census because it appears that sometime before 1940, Josephine’s marriage to Charles H. Hall had ended. I could not find Charles at all on the 1940 census, but I found a Josephine Hall listed on the 1940 census, living in New York City at the Barbizon Hotel, a well-known hotel for women where many women who later became famous actresses once lived in New York City during that same era and afterwards. Among the many famous women who once lived there were Grace Kelly, Shirley Jones, Ali McGraw, Lauren Bacall, Cybil Shepherd, and Liza Minelli.

The Barbizon Hotel, I, Dmadeo, CC BY-SA 3.0 <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/&gt;, via Wikimedia Commons

Josephine Hall’s marital status was recorded as single on that 1940 census, and she was working as a bookkeeper for a wholesale manufacturer. Her age matched my Josephine, as did her birthplace of New York.8 I can’t be positive this is my Josephine, but when I found a record on Ancestry that showed that on March 1, 1941, Charles Hall married Rosene Mast, it lined up with my assumption that Charles and Josephine were no longer married as of 1940.9

And sometime in that same era between 1930 and 1941, Josephine also remarried. Her second husband Andrew Sangster was also previously married. He was born in Edinburgh, Scotland on December 4, 1880, the son of Andrew Sangster and Margaret Robb,10 and had immigrated to the United States on January 30, 1911, listing his occupation as a chartered accountant.11 His first wife Margaret and their children arrived a few months later on April 24, 1911.12 They were living together as a family in 1920 in New Trier, Illinois,13 and in 1930 in Chatham, New Jersey,14 but by 1940 Andrew was living in the Hotel Laurelton in New York City, working as an accountant,15 and his wife and children were living in Madison, New Jersey.16 Both Andrew and Margaret listed their marital status as married.

An article I found in The (Morristown, NJ) Daily Record about the renovation of  historic homes in the area gave some background on what might have happened to Andrew Sangster. According to that article, Andrew purchased the family home in Chatham, New Jersey in 1922, but in 1937 the bank foreclosed on the home. As the article suggests, “apparently the Sangster fortunes had plummeted in the Depression.”17

Although I cannot find a marriage record for Josephine Rothschild Hall and Andrew Sangster, my hunch is that the two separated individuals, both living in hotels in New York, one located on West 55th Street and the other on West 63rd Street, one working as a bookkeeper and one as an accountant, somehow connected either before or after the 1940 census was taken. In 1940, Andrew was sixty years old and Josephine was 38.

In fact, they may have connected long before 1940. I found Josephine Hall on a ship manifest dated September 22, 1930, traveling from Bermuda to New York; listed immediately below her was the 13 year old daughter of Andrew Sangster and his wife Margaret, Edith Sangster, of Chatham, New Jersey. I searched the entire ship manifest and did not find either Charles Hall or any other member of the Sangster family aboard. What was Josephine doing with little Edith on a ship from Bermuda? I have no idea. But somehow Josephine knew the Sangster family as early as 1930. Isn’t this a little odd? I have no evidence that ties them together.

Does anyone have any theories? Was Josephine hired to take Edith on a trip for some reason? I have a theory, but it’s way too speculative to put down in words here.

Josephine Hall and Edith Sangster, 1930 ship manifest, The National Archives in Washington, DC; Washington, DC, USA; Passenger and Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1897-1957; Microfilm Serial or NAID: T715; RG Title: Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787-2004; RG: 85, Ship or Roll Number: Veendam, Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

Andrew was appointed the director of accounting for the New York State Public Service Commission in December 1940. He was living in Larchmont, New York, at that time.18 I cannot find a marriage record for Andrew Sangster and Josephine Rothschild Hall, but their first child was born in early 1941 in Albany, New York, suggesting that by sometime in 1940 they may have married. Andrew’s April 1942 World War II draft registration shows him living in Albany, New York, but interestingly, he listed a man named Lionel V. Longhurst of New York City as the person who would always know his address, so perhaps he and Josephine were not yet married. But in 1950 they were living together with their two children in Albany, New York, according to the 1950 census. Andrew was still working as an accountant for the New York State Public Service Commission.19

Andrew Sangster World War II draft registration, The National Archives At St. Louis; St. Louis, Missouri; World War Ii Draft Cards (Fourth Registration) For the State of New York; Record Group Title: Records of the Selective Service System; Record Group Number: 147; Box or Roll Number: 533, Ancestry.com. U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Andrew died at the age of 89 in Albany, New York, on December 22, 1969.20 Josephine survived him by many years; she lived to be one hundred years old and died in Hermosa Beach, California, on June 2, 2003, but was buried back in Albany with Andrew.21

I am glad that Josephine and Andrew met and were able to have many years together. They are survived by their children and other descendants.

 

 

 


  1. Gerald Jordan and family, 1940 US census, Year: 1940; Census Place: New York, Bronx, New York; Roll: m-t0627-02496; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 3-1403, Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census 
  2. Gerald Jordan, 1950 US census, National Archives at Washington, DC; Washington, D.C.; Seventeenth Census of the United States, 1950; Year: 1950; Census Place: New York, Queens, New York; Roll: 4472; Page: 14; Enumeration District: 41-864, Ancestry.com. 1950 United States Federal Census 
  3. Alberta L Jordan, Gender Female, Marriage License Date 21 Jun 1948
    Marriage License Place Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA, Spouse
    Joseph Weiner, License Number 19409, New York City Municipal Archives; New York, New York; Borough: Manhattan; Volume Number: 28, Ancestry.com. New York, New York, U.S., Marriage License Indexes, 1907-2018 
  4. Joseph Weiner, Gender Male, Race White, Birth Date 1 Jul 1916, Birth Place New York City, New York, Death Date 6 Jun 2002, Father Max Weiner Mother Minnie Kravich
    SSN 092079511, Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 
  5. Rachael Jordan, Age 51, Birth Date abt 1899, Death Date 16 Jul 1950
    Death Place Manhattan, New York, New York, USA, Certificate Number 15880, Ancestry.com. New York, New York, U.S., Death Index, 1949-1965. (The birth date is off by three years here; she was born in 1896.) 
  6. Gerald Jordan, Age 73, Birth Date abt 1892, Death Date 31 Dec 1965
    Death Place Queens, New York, New York, USA, Certificate Number 16719, Ancestry.com. New York, New York, U.S., Death Index, 1949-1965 
  7. Alberta Weiner, Social Security Number 116-09-5716, Birth Date 18 Apr 1921
    Issue year Before 1951, Issue State New York, Last Residence 11360, Flushing, Queens, New York, Death Date 28 Mar 2008, Social Security Administration; Washington D.C., USA; Social Security Death Index, Master File, Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 
  8. Josephine Hall, 1940 US census, Year: 1940; Census Place: New York, New York, New York; Roll: m-t0627-02657; Page: 83A; Enumeration District: 31-1387, Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census 
  9. Charles H Hall, Gender Male, Race White, Marriage Age 41, Birth Date 7 Dec 1899
    Birth Place Glen Cove, LI, Marriage Affidavit Date 4 Jan 1941, Marriage Date 1 Mar 1941, Marriage Place New York, Manhattan, New York, New York, USA, Residence Street Address 10 State St, Residence Place Ossining, New York, Occupation Restaurant Prop, Father Joseph H Hall, Mother Minnie I Hall, Spouse Rosene Mast
    Certificate Number 140, Current Marriage Number 1, Witness 1 H. Edwin Brown
    Witness 2 Vivian C Lopez, New York City Department of Records & Information Services; New York City, New York; New York City Marriage Licenses; Borough: Manhattan; Year: 1941, Ancestry.com. New York, New York, Index to Marriage Licenses, 1908-1910 
  10. Andrew Sangster, World War II draft registration, The National Archives At St. Louis; St. Louis, Missouri; World War Ii Draft Cards (Fourth Registration) For the State of New York; Record Group Title: Records of the Selective Service System; Record Group Number: 147; Box or Roll Number: 533, Ancestry.com. U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942; Andrew Sangster, Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts; ED: 46; Page: 16; Line: 3; Roll: cssct1881_285, Ancestry.com. 1881 Scotland Census 
  11. Andrew Sangster, ship manifest, The National Archives in Washington, DC; Washington, DC, USA; Passenger and Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1897-1957; Microfilm Serial or NAID: T715; RG Title: Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787-2004; RG: 85, Ship or Roll Number: Caledonia, Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 
  12. Margaret Sangster, ship manifest, The National Archives in Washington, DC; Washington, DC, USA; Passenger and Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1897-1957; Microfilm Serial or NAID: T715; RG Title: Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1787-2004; RG: 85, Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 
  13. Andrew Sangster, 1920 US census, Year: 1920; Census Place: New Trier, Cook, Illinois; Roll: T625_361; Page: 31B; Enumeration District: 119, Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census 
  14. Andrew Sangster, 1930 US census, Year: 1930; Census Place: Chatham, Morris, New Jersey; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0011; FHL microfilm: 2341108, Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census 
  15. Andrew Sangster, 1940 US census, Year: 1940; Census Place: New York, New York, New York; Roll: m-t0627-02656; Page: 84B; Enumeration District: 31-1380,
    Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census 
  16. Margaret Sangster, 1940 US census, Year: 1940; Census Place: Madison, Morris, New Jersey; Roll: m-t0627-02371; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 14-45, Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census 
  17. Shirley Eastman, “Restoration of Historic Homes,” The (Morristown, NJ) Daily Record, November 15, 1987, pp. 15-16. 
  18. “Larchmonter Named PSC Accounting Head,” The (New Rochelle, NY) Standard-Star, December 3, 1940, p. 14. 
  19. Andrew Sangster, 1950 US census, National Archives at Washington, DC; Washington, D.C.; Seventeenth Census of the United States, 1950; Year: 1950; Census Place: Colonie, Albany, New York; Roll: 4485; Page: 11; Enumeration District: 1-72, Ancestry.com. 1950 United States Federal Census 
  20. Andrew Sangster, Gender Male, Age 88, Birth Date abt 1881, Residence Place Menands, Albany, New York, USA, Death Date 22 Dec 1969, Death Place New York, USA, Certificate Number 90112, New York State Department of Health; Albany, NY, USA; New York State Death Index, Ancestry.com. New York State, U.S., Death Index, 1957-1972; Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189724933/andrew-sangster: accessed December 11, 2024), memorial page for Andrew Sangster (4 Dec 1881–22 Dec 1969), Find a Grave Memorial ID 189724933, citing Albany Rural Cemetery, Menands, Albany County, New York, USA; Maintained by Sidney (contributor 48067839). 
  21. Josephine I Sangster, Gender Female, Birth Date 19 Nov 1902, Death Date 2 Jun 2003, Claim Date 14 Oct 1964, SSN 578011916, Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007; Josephine I Sangster, Birth Date 19 Nov 1902, Birth Location New York City, New York, Death Date 2 Jun 2003, Age at Death 100, Death Location Hermosa Beach, CA, Spouse Andrew Sangster, Section Number of Burial 123, Lot Number of Burial 349, Ancestry.com. Menands, New York, U.S., Albany Rural Cemetery Burial Cards, 1791-2011