When he died at age 40 in 1884, Seligmann Rothschild was survived by his four sons and his second wife, Emma Rothschild. Just nine years later, his son Emil died when he was just eighteen, leaving the three other sons: Moses Max, Leopold, and Hugo. These three sons had suffered so many losses in such a short time; for Moses, his mother when he was two; for all three of them, their father when they were all ten or younger; then their brother Emil, and then their grandparents Gelle Blumenfeld and Simon Rothschild.
Unfortunately, I have hit many a brick wall in trying to research the lives of Moses, Leopold, and Hugo. There are lots of trees on Ancestry, MyHeritage, Geni, etc., for this family, but very few have any sources, and I have not yet been able to find the sources to back up the information on those trees. Because I try not to include unsourced information on the blog, I am reluctant to share the information included on all those trees. I will keep searching, but for now this is a post that should have a big asterisk next to it, warning readers that some of the information here may not be correct. I will indicate below where there are places that are not yet verified by records or at least some direct family confirmation of the facts.
Moses Max Rothschild, Seligmann’s oldest son, married Helene Hoechster on July 8, 1897, in Nordeck, Germany. Helene was born in Nordeck on September 3, 1870, and she was the daughter of Salomon Hoechster and Jette Loew.

Moses Rothschild and Helene Hoechster marriage record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Bestand: 905; Laufende Nummer: 1070, Year Range: 1889-1899, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
I have been able to find records for three children of Moses and Helene: Gertrude, born June 23, 1898, in Nordeck, Erna, born November 25, 1899, in Nordeck, and Erwin, born December 4, 1904, in Nordeck.1

Gertrude Rothschild birth record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Bestand: 905; Laufende Nummer: 1068, Year Range: 1888-1899, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Births, 1851-1901

Erna Rothschild birth record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Bestand: 905; Laufende Nummer: 1068, Year Range: 1888-1899, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Births, 1851-1901
Several unsourced trees include three other children born to Moses and Helene, but the online records for Nordeck do not include the birth records for the years of the births of those other children. For two of these children, there are records that show that they were born in Nordeck, but nothing that ties them to Moses and Helene.
For example, there is a death record for a Siegfried Rothschild who was born in Nordeck on April 8, 1901, and died on January 15, 1936, in Hanau, Germany.2 But that record does not include his parents’ names. Could this be a son of Moses and Helene? Certainly. But is this record reliable evidence of that? No.
Similarly, there is a Holocaust era record for a Fritz Rothschild, born in Nordeck on June 1, 1906.3 Could this be a son of Moses and Helene? Sure. But this record in no way establishes that connection.
Then there is another son included on these trees, Walter, born July 6, 1903, and there is no record at all for this person or even a reference to his birthplace, let alone his parentage.
These children—Siegfried, Fritz, and Walter—could indeed be children of Moses and Helene Rothschild, but on Ancestry, the trees that include them all cite Geneanet as a source (as well as other Ancestry trees). The listing on Geneanet for this family has no actual sources either. I wrote to the person who submitted the information on Geneanet, and he said he had no sources and had just taken the information off other trees. So it’s like going in a circle—each tree relies on another tree that relies on another tree, and none have any real sources.
I also have sent a message through Geni to a profile manager there for this family. I am hoping that person will respond because they seem to be family members. Maybe they can help me break through this brick wall not only for Moses and his family, but also for his two half-brothers, Leopold and Hugo. But it’s now been well over a month, and I’ve heard nothing.
Leopold Rothschild, the second surviving son of Seligmann Rothschild, married Zipporah Birkenruth on September 28, 1906, in Fulda, Germany. Zipporah was the daughter of Josef Birkenruth and Roschen Grief and was born in Wehrda, Germany, on January 5, 1876.

Leopold Rothschild and Zipporah Birkenruth marriage record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Signatur: 2363, Year Range: 1906, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
Leopold and Zipporah had one child for whom I have a record with a birth date, but no reference to his parents: Siegfried, born on September 13, 1907, in Halberstadt, Germany.4 Although there is no specific official record tying Siegfried to Leopold and Zipporah, there are some secondary sources that have convinced me that he was their son.
A story on Yad Vashem mentions that Leopold and his family moved in 1913 from Halberstadt to Dinslaken, Germany, to run an orphanage there. The story refers to and quotes a son Pinchas, who was six when the family moved to Dinslaken, thus born in 1907. I assume that Pinchas was the Hebrew name of Siegfried, who was born in 1907, as noted above. And I have found a Shoah Foundation interview with Pinchas Rothschild. Unfortunately, it is in Hebrew, so I am waiting for a cousin to translate it for me. But the index for this interview on Ancestry identified his father as Leopold Rothschild and his mother as Zipporah Birkenruth. 5
According to other unsourced trees, Leopold and Zipporah had three other children, Judith, Naftali, and Mirjam, but I have no records for those three. Until I can verify the birth dates for these three, I have nothing more I can add.
As for Hugo Rothschild, the third surviving son of Seligmann Rothschild, several unsourced trees list his spouse as Hannah Adler. I did find Hugo Rothschild, married to Hannah Adler, on a citizen register for the city of Lubeck, Germany. The birth date and birthplace match that of our Hugo Rothschild, so I see this as fairly reliable evidence that Hugo did marry a woman named Hannah Adler. The register also indicates that they had two female children at that time. But what I can’t determine is when this register was created. It says that Hugo became a citizen on June 24, 1911, but is that necessarily the date that Hugo was listed on the register? Does it mean that as of June 24, 1911, he was married to Hannah and had two female children? Or does it only mean that that was his family status as of the time he was listed in the register—which could have been years after June 24, 1911?

Hugo Rothschild Lubeck register, general_subcollection: Verzeichnis der in den Lübeckischen Staatsverband Aufgenommenen, 1903 (Mai)-1919, Ancestry.com. Lübeck, Germany, Citizenship Register, 1591-1919
The reason that this is important is that those unsourced trees for Hugo have conflicting dates for when Hugo married Hannah; some say 1908 in Baden-Baden, some say December 14, 1918, in Nordrach, Germany. I am inclined to think that the 1908 date makes more sense, especially since those trees also list four children for Hugo and Hannah born between 1907 and 1917. But alas, none of these trees includes a marriage record, nor have I found one.
As for those four children, two were allegedly born before June 24, 1911: a daughter Judith in 1907, making me wonder about a 1908 marriage, and a son Eli born in 1909. The register, however, says that Hugo had two daughters. So something is not right either on the register or on those trees. The unsourced trees list two more children for Hugo and Hannah: Chava, born in 1914, and Naomi, born in 1917, both in Lubeck. But again, no records support any of this information. A profile on Geni lists a descendant of Hugo and Hannah, and I have sent a message to that person and am hoping for a response. But again, it’s been over a month, and I’ve gotten no response.
So where do I stand? Frustrated for sure. I will move on to finish what I can of the stories of Seligmann Rothschild’s sons and their families based on the records I have, and if later I can find more sources, I will update the information with later posts.
- Erwin Rothschild death record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Personenstandsregister Sterberegister; Signatur: 135; Laufende Nummer: 926, Year Range: 1951, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Deaths, 1851-1958 ↩
- Siegfried Rothschild death record, Hessisches Hauptstaatsarchiv; Wiesbaden, Deutschland; Personenstandsregister Sterberegister; Signatur: 2100, Ancestry.com. Hesse, Germany, Deaths, 1851-1958 ↩
- See National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, DC; Name Index of Jews Whose German Nationality Was Annulled by the Nazi Regime (Berlin Documents Center); Record Group: 242, National Archives Collection of Foreign Records Seized, 1675 – 1958; Record Group ARC ID: 569; Publication Number: T355; Roll: 7, Mosbacher, Eduard – Schafranek, Bruno, Ancestry.com. Germany, Index of Jews Whose German Nationality was Annulled by Nazi Regime, 1935-1944 ↩
- Siegfried Rothschild, Gender Male, Birth Date 13 Sep 1907, Arrival Date 25 Oct 1943, Nationality I Deutschland, Nationality II Deutschland, Ancestry.com. Switzerland, Jewish Arrivals, 1938-1945 ↩
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Dr. Pinḥas Zigfrid Roṭshild, Birth Date 13 Sep 1907, Birth Place Halberstadt, Germany, Interview Date 5 Oct 1995, Interview Place Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel
Relationship Self (Head), Role Interviewee, USC Shoah Foundation; Los Angeles, California; Visual History Archive: The Holocaust, Free Access: USC Shoah Foundation, Holocaust – Jewish Survivor Interviews ↩

How frustrating !
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Yep…..
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Wow – I can feel your frustration from here. It’s so awful when people just blindly accept information from other unsourced trees and perpetuate it. While I can understand how some don’t include source info on a public tree, as long as there’s a way to contact them and ask about those sources, I’m fine. But to create a public tree based solely on someone else’s tree? No – that’s not genealogy. That’s kindergarten level copy/paste.
I hope you can find some sources as you continue your work. Meanwhile, I’m interested to find out the details from the Yad Vashem interview when your cousin has translated it for you.
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Thanks for sharing my frustration! Misery loves company. I hope to Zoom with my cousin in Israel on Friday to get answers to my questions about the Shoah Foundation interview. (Yad Vashem is a different place.)
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Sorry – I thought that you’d referenced the Yad Vashem one…
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No problem!
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Hi Amy, it’s no use second guessing here, you need some positive dates. I hope you will eventually get some answers to fill in the gaps.
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I hope so also!
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Oh how I wish I could prove some of the lines I have seen on my Moore family line. I would be so many generations deeper in my research. For most I have no idea where or how they got their information. Others that I have been able to get answers from (a rare event) seem to take wild leaps of faith that are easy to poke huge holes in. What I have told my family was that what I have recorded I am 99% sure of. So be careful of others that seem to have so much more than I do.
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Yep. Exactly. Sigh….
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I feel your pain. Circling around Ancestry trying to figure out the origin of a piece of unsourced information is so unproductive. One time I did get lucky to find an unsourced tree, without other trees as sources, that turned out to be a person with family records. She not only communicated with me, but sent me copies. That is a rarity, but it does happen. Best of luck with finding what you seek! I am currently taking the NGS Advanced Skills in Genealogy course and will be doing some deep diving to try and solve some brick walls in my tree.
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I gave up contacting tree owners years ago since either they didn’t respond at all or they were unhelpful because they had no sources or, worst of all, they were rude because I even dared to ask them about their trees. I am sure there are many like the person you contacted, but they must be rare!
Best of luck with the course. What kinds of skills are you learning?
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A lot of it is building better citations and create a research plan. I’m early in and building timelines with citations. But I’m also learning new sources and building case arguments. I’m just in the second and third modules out of 20. They give you 18 months to complete it. Most people take less, but I’m moving pretty slow!
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Sounds great. Enjoy, and take your time!
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It is so frustrating to contact someone about their tree and then never hear back from them. I understand that some may not be active any longer or, sigh, deceased but ALL of them? Good luck, I hope you can sort some things out.
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Thanks, Debi. My best hope is one of those Geni people contacting me, but it’s been a long time now, so I am not optimistic.
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Thank you!
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It is really frustrating sometimes. My sister wants all the documentation. But that is sometimes difficult to find. There are facts that will never be able to be verified.
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I just can’t accept something as fact without some verification. Family stories are notoriously unreliable, and family trees even more so!
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I agree about other family trees. I hope a breakthrough comes soon!
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Thank you!
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I am so impressed with all the work you continue to do on your branches. It’s wonderful that you are being careful because there is a lot of bad info circulating online.
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I try! It can be very exasperating.
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