As seen in my prior post, my cousin Marcus Morreau left his home in Worrstadt, Germany, as a young man and was living and working as a merchant in Withington, England by 1881, as seen on the 1881 census.

Marcus Morreau, 1881 England census, Class: RG11; Piece: 3892; Folio: 79; Page: 37; GSU roll: 1341930, Enumeration District: 12a, Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 England Census
By 1901, he was a shipping merchant and married and living with his wife Alice in Didsbury, England, as seen on the 1901 English census:

Marcus and Alice Morreau, “England and Wales Census, 1901,” database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GW-G8T : 21 May 2019), Marcus Morreau, Didsbury, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom; from “1901 England, Scotland and Wales census,” database and images, findmypast(http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Didsbury subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
Thus, sometime between 1881 and 1901, Marcus married a woman named Alice. I was curious about their marriage, especially since Alice was 21 years younger than Marcus and French-born, as indicated on the census record. Where did they meet? When and where did they marry?
I knew from my cousin Mark, the great-grandson of Marcus and Alice, that Alice was the child of Joseph Weinmann and Helene Rothschild, both of whom were German-born, but were living in Calais, France, when Alice was born there on June 15, 1880. Sherri of the Tracing the Tribe group on Facebook generously offered to help me locate Alice’s birth record from Calais:

Alice Weinmann, birth record, Calais, France, located on the online archives for Calais at http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/cg62v2/registre.php
The records from Calais also show that Joseph and Helen Weinmann’s youngest child, Jacques, was born in 1895, in Calais,1 so the Weinmanns were living in Calais from at least 1880 when Alice, their first-born child, was born until at least 1895 when Jacques was born.
Mark shared these two wonderful photographs of his great-grandmother Alice as a young girl and as a young woman:
So how did Marcus, a German immigrant living in England since at least 1881, meet a much younger woman who was born in France in 1880 and living in France until at least 1895?
One theory was that Marcus was introduced to Alice through his work with Edward Wihl. Mark found a directory for Manchester in the 1880s showing that Marcus was working for Edward Wihl & Company, and I found one from 1895 showing that he was still working for Edward Wihl & Company.

1895 Slater’s Manchester & Salford Directory (Pt 1); Publisher: Slater’s Directory Ltd (Manchester) and Kelly & Co. (London), Ancestry.com. UK, City and County Directories, 1766 – 1946
Alice’s sister Estelle was married to Edward Wihl’s nephew Joseph Wihl,2 and we postulated that Estelle Weinmann and Joseph Wihl introduced Alice and Marcus. But that theory did not hold up because Estelle married Joseph Wihl in 1906, at least five years after Alice and Marcus were married. It would seem more likely that Alice introduced Estelle to Joseph Wihl than Estelle introducing Alice to Marcus.
Mark was quite certain that Alice and Marcus had married in Calais, but despite help from numerous members of the French SIG on JewishGen and from Sherri on Facebook, I could not locate a marriage record for Marcus and Alice in Calais. One of the members of the French SIG group also looked at Alice’s birth record and opined that if in fact Alice had later married in Calais, there would have been a notation on her birth record to that effect. There was, in fact, no such notation.
Then I wondered if they had married in England, not France. What if the Weinmanns had left Calais after Jacques was born in 1895 and moved to Manchester, facilitating the meeting of Alice and Marcus and their marriage in England?
So I searched to see if the Weinmanns had moved to England before Alice and Marcus married, and I learned that Alice’s father Joseph Weinmann had lived in England, but before Alice’s birth in 1880.
Records show that in 1870, Joseph Weinmann became a naturalized citizen of the United Kingdom, then residing in Ireland, meaning that he had lived in the UK for at least five of the preceding eight years. In 1871, Joseph Weinmann, born in Frankfurt, Germany, was working as a commercial lace clerk and living in Nottingham, England.3

Joseph Weinmann UK naturalization, 1870, The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Duplicate Certificates of Naturalisation, Declarations of British Nationality, and Declarations of Alienage; Class: HO 334; Piece: 1, Piece 001: Certificate Numbers A1 – A496
Ancestry.com. UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916
This photograph is labeled by the family as “Joseph Weinmann, Nottingham, c.1868, age 20.”
When I saw that, I recalled something else that Mark had mentioned: that both the Wihl family and Joseph Weinmann were somehow connected to the lace trade in Nottingham. Mark wondered whether Marcus also had at some point been in Nottingham. All of that made some sense as a theory—that Marcus met Joseph Weinman in the 1870s in Nottingham before Joseph moved to Calais and Marcus moved to Manchester.
But I had and have no proof. In fact, I have no English records for Joseph Weinmann after the 1871 England Census until a 1909 directory showing him living in Manchester and working for Morreau, Spiegelberg & Company.4
When I first saw the two photographs below, I thought these might be wedding portraits. They were both taken in Manchester, and the one of Alice is dated 1901. But since they were taken by different photographers in Manchester, they were probably not wedding portraits.
I was about to give up on ever finding a marriage record for Marcus and Alice when I decided to search FindMyPast, the genealogy website that is best for research in Great Britain. There were several records for Marcus Morreau on the site, but the one that most interested me was from a database called “British Armed Forces and Overseas Banns and Marriages.” The entry for Marcus was described as “Marcus Morreau 1896-1900 Calais France MCON Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965)(emphasis added).” But I could not see the actual document or the transcription without subscribing to FindMyPast.
I debated whether or not to spend the money (about $15) for a one month subscription. Finally my curiosity got the better of me, so I took out my credit card and subscribed. I was excited to click on the icon to see the record, but this is all it showed:
The transcription didn’t help much either. It said:
First name(s) | Marcus |
---|---|
Last name | Morreau |
Sex | Male |
Marriage year | 1896-1900 |
MarriageFinder ™ |
Marcus Morreau married one of these people
Alice Frederique Weinmann, Agnes Mary Matthews |
Marriage place | Calais |
Place type | Place |
Country | France |
Type | Consular/Overseas |
Source | Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965) |
Records year range | 1896-1900 |
Archive reference | MCON |
Volume | 10 |
Page | 409 |
Line number | 20 |
Archive |
General Register Office
|
Record set | British Armed Forces And Overseas Banns And Marriages |
Category | Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) |
Subcategory | Civil Marriage & Divorce |
Collections from | Great Britain, UK None |
There was no wedding date date provided, just the range of 1896-1900. But it certainly appears that Marcus and Alice were indeed married in Calais as Mark had believed. But when? And how did they meet if they were living in different countries and 21 years apart in age?
It seems more and more likely that somehow there was a prior connection between Marcus and his father-in-law-to-be, Joseph Weinmann, and perhaps an ongoing business connection.
The next step is to try and get the actual marriage record. I’ve sent away to the GRO in England with the hope that they will find it and that it will at least provide a wedding date. Now I wait.
UPDATE: Mystery solved! The GRO sent the record, and the answers are here.
- Jacques Weinmann birth record, found at http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/cg62v2/registre.php ↩
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Marriage of Joseph Wihl and Estelle Weinmann,Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep, Registration district: Prestwich Inferred County: Lancashire, Volume: 8d, Page: 818, Records on Page: FreeBMD. England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 ↩ - Joseph Weinmann, 1871 England Census, The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1871 England Census; Class: RG10; Piece: 3530; Folio: 28; Page: 13; GSU roll: 839753, Enumeration District: 2, Ancestry.com. 1871 England Census ↩
- 1909 Slater’s Manchester, Salford & Suburban Directory (Pt 2); Publisher: Slater’s Directory Ltd (Manchester) and Kelly’s Directories Ltd (London), Ancestry.com. UK, City and County Directories, 1766 – 1946 ↩
Amy, good work! You got a little closer to unravel the mystery of the wedding date. It is puzzling to see the record’s date spread over four years. Good luck with solving the mystery!
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Thanks, Peter! I will update when I learn more.
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Your helpers may have already checked the Tables Décennales (10-year lists of births, marriages, and deaths) for Calais for the period 1893-1902 however I thought I would give it a try for the marriage and came up empty.
As Alice was listed as age 20 on the 1901 census, it would seem the marriage had to be recent. The range from 1896-1900 seen on the FindMyPast and the extracted information is vague. Good luck with the GRO in England.
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Yes, I was directed to those tables with no luck. If she married at the consulate, I guess it was not considered a marriage “in” France. Very odd. Thanks, Cathy!
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You’re welcome, Amy.
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That’s quite a mystery. You’ve come a long way in solving it and hope you are able to get the answers. Looking forward to reading the final chapter.
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Thanks, Debi!
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Hope the GRO comes through with the goods. This is quite a mystery!
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Thanks, Su—me, too!
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Amy ~ outstanding research. Love the ‘groups’ and all the collaboration on this. Were so lucky to be in the age of internet with our research. It will be interesting to see what you can get from GRO. Loved all the photo’s too 🙂 Sharon
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Thanks, Sharon. I will keep you posted!
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Great research Amy. I’m always happy to check any details for you on Findmypast once your current subscription ends – I know it can be disappointing to pay for something that doesn’t actually tell you much. The GRO should issue you with the marriage certificate which will give you some answers! Look forward to an update!
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Thanks so much for that offer, Alex! I will keep it in mind. Any idea how long it usually takes the GRO to respond?
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Here in the UK about 7 working days to receive your order from the GRO, so not sure how much longer to add onto that to get to the US. Does your order have a delivery estimate on it? Bear in mind the delivery estimate is just it being sent out by them.
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I don’t see a delivery estimate on the response I received, which was dated August 19. So it’s been over three weeks since I submitted it. Maybe soon???
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Perhaps send them a message if you haven’t received anything in another weeks time?
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Will do—thanks!
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Hi Amy, I love these mysteries. The GRO records sometimes take up to 3 weeks here in the UK, depending on their workload. I found an Alice Frederique Morreau died in Surrey which is
south of London between September-December 1971. It’s quite a distance from Manchester and Nottingham.
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Yep, that’s her, Shirley. I should ask one of the cousins why she was living there at that point in her life. Thanks!
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Maybe it was an arranged marriage! There is something about the face and expression in that Joseph Weinmann portrait. A lot of personality!
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Yes, I love that photo!
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The photo of Alice from 1901 does look like a wedding photo if one does not have the rest of the story as you detailed here. Her dress and hair are so much like the styles of brides in the early 1900s.
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That’s why I thought so, but it appears that they were married in Calais, not Manchester, so perhaps she just sat for a wedding type portrait once they’d moved to Manchester.
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That makes perfect sense to me. It’s a lovely photo and has been kept in such good condition as all the photos are. We Alice and the family at their best, which is a great way to be remembered.
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